Review Alliant Power Pistol Vs Sport Pistol Powder

April 16, 2022 Post a Comment

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GM,
Finally plant some Sport Pistol available and purchased a couple of pounds (they didn't accept four lb cannisters).

As anyone that has reloaded for awhile knows, if y'all go to the Alliant website, they merely list max charges and stated that you should reduce the load by ten% of max. Well, that does not equate to starting charge. Which to me is a bit frustrating when compared to other powders and literature.

I have Power pistol, which has been around longer. Love the powder, but as others take commented, and as I have plant out, it is a LOUD powder. I can always tell when my loads are loaded with Power pistol vs whatsoever other powders I used based on sound alone. At that place'due south good information on Power pistol, merely not and so much for Sport pistol.

I have the Speer, Hornady, and Lyman cast volume, simply data for coated/polymer bullets is sparse. Can anyone directly me to a site or book that would have literature for the post-obit: 9mm and 45acp in detail (mainly 9mm as I love WST for 45 acp, only I'll try it with 45 acp as well)? I have other powders that work well, only Alliant emphasizes Sport pistol equally a powder specifically designed for coated and polymer bullets, which is why I want to try it with my coated bullets.

TIA

CH
Alliant has information for Tiptop coated bullets in iii different weights for 9x19.
I don't understand why you lot can't utilise that data. They list max loads. Reduce their max loads listed by 10% as a starting signal.

Example: four.7gr SP with a 115gr Elevation is the max load 4.7 x .ix = 4.23. 4.2gr will be your starting load.
Yup. Lots of information on Alliant's website.
Absurdly long post... data from my last vacation. Copy paste from chrony information on iPad.
The rmr data is reference from different guns and my standard load for excellent accuracy and part.

The precision delta info is the commencement of me finding a become to load.

Created: 09/04/twenty 01:18 PM
Description: 9mm sport pistol 3.9gr one.075 oal 124 rmr Match winner cz shadow70 degrees tidioute
Notes 1: 70 degrees tidioute
Notes two:
Distance to Chrono(FT): x.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 124.00
Temp: Northward/A °F
BP: N/A inHg
Altitude: 1000.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
eleven 1023 288.xx 126.85
ten 1025 289.32 127.10
9 1025 289.32 127.10
8 1015 283.71 125.86
seven 1012 282.03 125.49
half-dozen 1028 291.02 127.47
five 1011 281.47 125.36
4 1018 285.39 126.23
3 1024 288.76 126.98
ii 1034 294.43 128.22
1 1022 287.63 126.73
Average: 1021.5 FPS
SD: 7.0 FPS
Min: 1011 FPS
Max: 1034 FPS
Spread: 23 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.v
True MV: 1022 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

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Ready: 3
Created: 09/04/twenty 01:22 PM
Description: 9mm sport pistol three.9gr 1.075 oal rmr 124 match winner cz sp01 ta70 degrees tidioute
Notes 1: 70 degrees tidioute
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono(FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: ane.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 124.00
Temp: N/A °F
BP: N/A inHg
Distance: 1000.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
ten 1016 284.27 125.98
9 1005 278.fourteen 124.62
8 1032 293.29 127.97
vii 1037 296.14 128.59
6 1023 288.twenty 126.85
v 1024 288.76 126.98
4 1012 282.03 125.49
three 1038 296.71 128.71
2 1006 278.70 124.74
i 1007 279.25 124.87
Boilerplate: 1020.0 FPS
SD: 12.7 FPS
Min: 1005 FPS
Max: 1038 FPS
Spread: 33 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.5
True MV: 1021 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

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Set: 4
Created: 09/04/twenty 01:24 PM
Description: 9mm sport pistol iii.9gr 1.075 oal RMR 124 match winner xds four inch70 degrees tidioute
Notes 1: 70 degrees tidioute
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono(FT): ten.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 124.00
Temp: N/A °F
BP: N/A inHg
Altitude: grand.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
10 1021 287.07 126.60
9 1017 284.83 126.xi
8 1021 287.07 126.threescore
7 1001 275.93 124.12
six 1021 287.07 126.60
5 1019 285.95 126.36
4 1040 297.85 128.96
3 1017 284.83 126.11
ii 1021 287.07 126.60
ane 1010 280.92 125.24
Average: 1018.viii FPS
SD: ix.viii FPS
Min: 1001 FPS
Max: 1040 FPS
Spread: 39 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.half dozen
Truthful MV: 1020 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

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Fix: half dozen
Created: 09/04/xx 01:32 PM
Clarification: 9mm sport pistol 3.9gr 1.075 oal RMR 124 Match WINNER hk vp9
Notes 1: lxx degrees tidioute
Notes ii:
Distance to Chrono(FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: one.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 124.00
Temp: N/A °F
BP: N/A inHg
Distance: yard.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
ten 1033 293.86 128.09
9 1021 287.07 126.lx
eight 1031 292.72 127.84
7 1045 300.73 129.58
vi 1042 299.00 129.21
5 1036 295.57 128.46
iv 1046 301.30 129.70
iii 1040 297.85 128.96
2 1037 296.14 128.59
1 1014 283.15 125.74
Average: 1034.5 FPS
SD: 10.3 FPS
Min: 1014 FPS
Max: 1046 FPS
Spread: 32 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.5
True MV: 1035 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

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Created: 09/04/20 01:39 PM
Clarification: precision delta 124JHP sport pistol three.8 grain cz sp01 tac
Notes i:
Notes 2:
Altitude to Chrono(FT): x.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 124.00
Temp: N/A °F
BP: N/A inHg
Altitude: 1000.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
5 1016 284.27 125.98
4 1029 291.59 127.lx
3 1010 280.92 125.24
ii 1017 284.83 126.eleven
1 1012 282.03 125.49
Average: 1016.8 FPS
SD: 7.iv FPS
Min: 1010 FPS
Max: 1029 FPS
Spread: nineteen FPS
Shot/sec: 0.6
True MV: 1018 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

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Set: 8
Created: 09/04/twenty 01:40 PM
Description: precision delta 124JHP sport pistol 3.9 grain cz sp01 tac
Notes 1:
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono(FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 124.00
Temp: Northward/A °F
BP: N/A inHg
Distance: g.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
5 1041 298.43 129.08
4 1040 297.85 128.96
iii 1059 308.84 131.32
ii 1042 299.00 129.21
1 1027 290.45 127.35
Average: 1041.8 FPS
SD: xi.4 FPS
Min: 1027 FPS
Max: 1059 FPS
Spread: 32 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.7
True MV: 1043 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

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Created: 09/04/20 01:41 PM
Description: precision delta 124JHP sport pistol 4.0 grain cz sp01 tac
Notes 1:
Notes two:
Altitude to Chrono(FT): x.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 124.00
Temp: N/A °F
BP: N/A inHg
Altitude: thousand.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
five 1065 312.35 132.06
iv 1056 307.09 130.94
3 1055 306.51 130.82
2 1045 300.73 129.58
1 1031 292.72 127.84
Boilerplate: 1050.four FPS
SD: 13.0 FPS
Min: 1031 FPS
Max: 1065 FPS
Spread: 34 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.5
True MV: 1051 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

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Gear up: 10
Created: 09/04/twenty 01:42 PM
Clarification: precision delta 124JHP sport pistol iv.1 grain cz sp01 tac
Notes one:
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono(FT): x.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 124.00
Temp: North/A °F
BP: Northward/A inHg
Altitude: 1000.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
five 1074 317.65 133.eighteen
four 1058 308.25 131.19
3 1065 312.35 132.06
2 1071 315.88 132.fourscore
one 1067 313.52 132.31
Average: 1067.0 FPS
SD: 6.1 FPS
Min: 1058 FPS
Max: 1074 FPS
Spread: 16 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.6
Truthful MV: 1068 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

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Set: eleven
Created: 09/04/twenty 01:43 PM
Description: precision delta 124JHP sport pistol 4.2 grain cz sp01 tac
Notes 1:
Notes ii:
Distance to Chrono(FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 124.00
Temp: Due north/A °F
BP: Northward/A inHg
Distance: chiliad.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
5 1072 316.47 132.93
4 1076 318.83 133.42
iii 1082 322.40 134.17
two 1096 330.79 135.xc
1 1079 320.61 133.80
Boilerplate: 1081.0 FPS
SD: ix.2 FPS
Min: 1072 FPS
Max: 1096 FPS
Spread: 24 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.6
Truthful MV: 1082 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00
My feel says that it is going to be virtually impossible to discover any published load data for coated bullets. Neither Speer, Hornady or Lyman requite any support for coating bullets in their books and as of even so as far as I know have not begun to fifty-fifty look into it every bit far as load development.. Also none of the large commercial manufacturers accept started supplying coated bullets to the market so they will not develop loads either. Then west/o support from whatsoever of them I dubiety the powder manufacturers will practice it on their own. At least this is my personal opinion.
I would care for the coated bullets every bit cast equally on even the powder manufacturers in their information practice not discern themselves with bullet maker. Just caliber, weight and profile. And we all know that in pistol bullets there are many different profiles for the same weight bullets.
Practice tell, why not? I looked on the Hodgdon site and most of their "Starting Loads" are at or most ninety% of the maximum, with a lot of rounding downward of two significant figure data. Why they first Longshot in 9mm at a 17% reduction, I don't know. And don't much care, I would not go that far afield except in farthermost shortages.
There is getting to be some data specific to coated bullets but a "recipe hunt" may not exist productive in the nowadays panic, you have to take what you tin get. I treat them like cast and adapt past chronograph. I just apply coated (or plated) bullets in Power Factor loads for IDPA and USPSA so I have a congenital in condom margin. When I desire to simulate my JHP defence force ammo, I buy some JHPs and load carefully.
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I've simply started shooting Tiptop and Eggleston bullets in concluding week or so, a lilliputian info on the Eggleston site merely nada matching what I think I need, in other words I doubtable you lot are right.
Speer load data provides commencement charges for even newer Alliant Powers - https://world wide web.speer.com/reloading/handgun-data.htmlI have used lead load data with powder coated and Hi-Tek coated bullets with good results and Speer has atomic number 82 load data with start charges for Alliant powders. Absent lead load information, I would reference load information for TMJ which is thick plated RN for my load evolution and powder work upward for coated bullets.
9mm 125 gr Lead RN - https://reloading-information.speer-ammo.com/downloads/speer/reloading-pdfs/Handgun/9mm_caliber_355-366_dia/9mm_Luger_125.pdf

9mm 115 gr TMJ/RN Sport Pistol OAL 1.135" Showtime iv.0 gr (1029 fps) - Max 4.five gr (1115 fps)

9mm 124 gr TMJ/RN Sport Pistol OAL 1.135" Start three.8 gr (984 fps) - Max four.3 gr (1067 fps)

9mm 147 gr TMJ/FN Sport Pistol OAL i.130" Start 3.2 gr (820 fps) - Max 3.6 gr (890 fps)

Alliant website shows lead load information and 10% reduction is on par with Speer load data first/max charges - https://world wide web.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/powderlist.aspx?folio=/reloaders/powderlist.aspx&type=i&powderid=42&cartridge=23

9mm 115 gr Acme RN-NLG coated Sport Pistol OAL 1.120" (10% reduction is 4.2 gr but I would utilise four.0 gr Speer beginning) - Max 4.7 thousandr (1,170 fps)

9mm 124 gr Acme RN-NLG coated Sport Pistol OAL 1.050" (This is shorter rounder nose contour that I normally need to seat shorter to i.080" to plunk - x% reduction is 3.v gr as starting time charge) - Max 3.9 gr (1066 fps)

9mm 125 gr Pb RN Sport Pistol OAL i.120" (ten% reduction is three.8 gr equally start charge) - Max 4.ii gr (1108 fps)

9mm 145 gr Acme RN-NLG coated Sport Pistol OAL i.100" (10% reduction is 3.1 gr equally start charge) - Max 3.5 gr (949 fps)

45ACP 200 gr Lead SWC - https://reloading-data.speer-ammo.com/downloads/speer/reloading-pdfs/Handgun/45_caliber_451-454_dia/45_Auto_200_LSWC.pdf

There'southward no lead load data for Sport Pistol but you lot can reference atomic number 82 load data for heavier 230 gr LRN

45ACP 230 gr Pb RN - https://reloading-data.speer-ammo.com/downloads/speer/reloading-pdfs/Handgun/45_caliber_451-454_dia/45_Auto_230_LRN.pdf

45ACP 230 gr Lead RN Sport Pistol OAL ane.240" Start iv.4 gr (777 fps) - Max v.vi gr (919 fps)
Last edited: Sep 27, 2020
"Use lead starting loads" is often suggested by coated Manufacturers.
No real reason to make it too difficult.

LiveLife and dcarr similar this.
This from Alliant'due south website (Boldface emphasis by Alliant, non by me).....

REDUCE RIFLE AND HANDGUN CHARGE WEIGHTS By 10% TO Constitute A STARTING LOAD.

It doesn't go any plainer than that.

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From Alliant

Max loads shown, reduce x% to start per Alliant

Last edited: Sep 27, 2020
I don't empathise why you can't use that information. They list max loads. Reduce their max loads listed past 10% as a starting indicate.
Example: 4.7gr SP with a 115gr Tiptop is the max load iv.seven x .9 = iv.23. 4.2gr will be your starting load.[/QUOTE]
I have read equally others have posted, that reducing the load by 10% is non the starting load. I concord that the reduction by that percentage is not the starting load. What I can't understand is why alliant will not publish a starting load like all the other references out there.
If yous call/email Alliant, they will provide you with showtime loads.
Just nosotros just saved you a telephone call and provided usable commencement charges.
. THX. I had read that Alliant volition respond after a few days, but I figured someone in THR had already washed some testing for Sport Pistol I all the same have nigh 2 of the 4lbs of Power pistol. If Sport Pistol works but as well minus the loudness that Power pistol has been giving, It may be my goto for 9mm. If not, I'll stick with Sport pistol. It's a very practiced powder; meters well, consistent, and brawl type so it's not messy. The only drawback is how loud it is. I had read others mention that it was louder and didn't retrieve that could exist, but yep, it is by far the loudest powder I've used.
CH
I take used plated and tmj data when using the 124 and 125 LRN bullets from Elevation with excellent results. I use 4.7 grains of power pistol (TMJ figures}, and then 3.five sounds almost correct -consistent with the differences in comparison to power pistol.
The plus side is the accuse is lower.

Hopefully the sounds of deplorable pistol volition not exist as lots as power pistol.

Have yous used power pistol? If so how does sport pistol compare in terms of recoil, accuracy, and racket?

Thx

CH
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Power Pistol is a bit loud and flashy, Longshot is LOUD and flashy
Sport Pistol does not seem as loud or flashy every bit PP.
Accurateness in my tests was expert. As far every bit recoil a MAX load of Sport Pistol will have less recoil than a MAX load of PP because the PP load will have a higher vel
and be burning more powder if you want to figure in ejected powder mass.
Funny, when I first inquired about Power Pistol, folks responding kept saying "Loud," that really didn't interpret and I figured-"Well yeah, there should be a boom when the bullet is fired," At present I know what they meant. Dear the performance attribute of it, simply I tend to shoot more than on indoor ranges than outdoor ranges. Yeah, it makes a departure. Oddly enough, I attended a match and used reloads I had created using PP. When firing exterior, it doesn't seem as loud. Nonetheless, there's no denying, Power pistol is loud. Since you mentioned longshot being loud, I may merely steer clear of it.
It'due south practiced to hear about max loads with Sport pistol, I've gotten used to Power Pistol, and one affair I do appreciate most PP is that the recoil is non harsh, only you know it'south there. I'chiliad no recoil junkie, but I go a fleck concerned if there isn't any recoil at all -like concerned about a squib.

THX

CH
If you like power pistol you'll love BE-86. It'south basically power pistol just has wink suppresant added to it which does a bully task of taming the flash and boom to a much more than reasonable level.
I'm notwithstanding trying to figure out if you lot grok the "reduce max by x%" as a starting load. Information technology works fine, at least information technology'due south worked for me for the diverse Alliant powders I use.
SP has become 1 of my staples for 9mm contest loads. It's edged out N320 although information technology has a flake more smoke and is less clean than N320, in my gun. I favor the 147 coated or RMRs using it and the consistency is crazy good, Crazy Horse.... At the terminal chrono phase at a lucifer they clocked 902, 902, 899. I'g going to re-evaluate the load and possibly lighten it merely a chip.
I practice take some BE86 unopened that I plan to try but that's a winter project at this betoken. Good luck!
THX. LIvelife recommended, to start out with 3.8 (reducing by 10%) with a max of 4.2. I'll exist looking at starting out at 4.0 to continue me around the 1000-1050 range. For 147'due south I haven't looked at that withal. I have a few RMR 147gr jacketed RMR bullets, but will probably use my ACME 147gr FP coated bullets as I have more of those in my stock.
Quick question, y'all mentioned that Sport Pistol is smoky and less clean? is that beyond all different 9mm loads? I take some Exist-86 as well that I oasis't taken out, was hoping Sport Pistol functioned similarly to Power Pistol minus the noise. However, I like clean casings once fired as I have experience with WST in the 45acp. If Sport Pistol isn't conducive to producing clean expended cases, I may merely pause out Exist-86 sooner and requite it a try.

CH
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I recall the poster was saying compared to VV N320.
SP is pretty clean IMO, perhaps just not quite as clean as N320. (which is very clean)

I first tried Longshot in 9mm in the terminal shortage because it was all I could get that had listed loads for 9mm. Worked well at the high side of it'southward charge range ( and gave expert vels) but the whole time I was scratching my head going how tin it exist then much louder than powders Ten,Y and Z!
Man, they had some VV 320 in stock, was seriously considering it based on a recommendation from someone in the forum. Had zero only good things to say about it. If it'southward that clean and Sport pistol doesn't tickly my fancy, It'll be my next powder.
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N320 works great in .45 and shot well for me in 9mm.
Very clean in both. One thing to be enlightened of is N320 in 9mm is all-time for exercise/target/lucifer ammo, information technology's burn speed is a little fast for summit vels in 9mm.
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